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Title: Racist Kirats !!!!

On Thursday, March 20th 2008, 7:37 AM, by Methodist

i have read some of the blogs here and i am disappointed to say that some of response from my fellow kirats are down right racist.For example there is a lot of anti-Bahun statements from ignorants idiots who makes me feel ashamed to call my self a Kirat/Limbu.

Here is a link of what i am talking about:
http://www.kiratisaathi.c om/?L=blogs.blog&article= 367

Here is another link:
http://www.kiratisaathi.c om/?L=blogs.blog&article= 281


As you can read from these blogs,blaming all the problems of Kirats on the Bahuns is down right racist and dangerous.I do know that Bahuns have better prospects when it comes to government positions but we kirats in turn discriminate the Bahuns in recruitment for the British/Singapore army as 99% of the vacancy are taken up by janjatis.Mind you,these army positions are very much sought after cause of the salary so please don't say that these positions should be looked down upon.

Sorry if i cause any offense but i felt i had to denounce some of the racist kirats in this blog room.I am not blind to see that Janjits are generally speaking worse off than Bahuns but that does not give us the right to be racist.

Finally i want to say that as a Christian Limbu,God has thought me to love those people who hates me or wants to harm me cause love for your fellow man regardless of his background is the ultimate triumph in morality. ...

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BLAMING EACH OTHERS

Date Friday, March 28th 2008, 6:42 AM

The currnent topic Racist Kirats is really very interesting. After going through the views of our learned fellows, I myself came to the conclusion that we people are wasting our mind, soul and time for unproductive things. The same strength if we spent on the other constructive topic viz. eradication of poverty, social evils, illiteracy, development of social fabrics etc. like many others, we can take our society on top. Criticising others by mud sladging, using bitter languages,cercasting comments and showing so called intellectual supremacy will only create unhealthy notion .
Our Kiratworld intellectuals should involved themself in only constructive things.
regards.
karankira
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Excellent comments made by many kirati brothers

Date Thursday, March 27th 2008, 8:56 AM

This is excellent way we can communicate and share our opinions. Tagera has brilliant comments upon discrimination where as Methodist gave ample examples in recent time. I agree with both friends,we were discriminated because Bramans were in upper position since monarchism introduced in Nepal and obviously janajatis were in shadow. But in recent years situation has been changed and there is more equality in government service and societal prospectus but I think in many cases there is still people has traditional thoughts or you can say racial caste discrimination.I would like to talk more about our future,how we can improve our lives and support our kirati people??? Education is first thing we need to emphacise and enhance to our society, there is almost all Braman people study higher education level as I am a postgraduate student of Business administration and tourism and I've another few friends they all Braman but there is no kirat people. Our people is money oriented in most cases,there is more kirati people around here in Ireland than Bramans but they all work and earn small money rather than educate themselves so I am so upset with this situation. I believe in few years time situation would change more and beneficial to our kirati people. We'll be talking more but its my pleasure to read all blogs from all kirati people....God bless to all!
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Methodist

to Subir and his facts.

Date Thursday, March 27th 2008, 1:14 AM

Subir Ji,with all due respect but i don't know where you got your figure of 97% of crimes and corruption are committed by Bahuns.It is not in any official statics kept by the government or any NGOs.So in my conclusion,i feel you have a prejudice towards Bahuns based on stereotypes rather than facts.
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Definition of a racist

Date Thursday, March 27th 2008, 1:03 AM

My definition of a racist is :

1) A person who stereotypes other people.As we Kirats don't like to be called drunks,we in return should not call Bahuns as corrupt and criminial. A Kirat can be just as good or bad as a Bahun.

2)A Person who thinks his race is superior based on some questionable facts.For Example to think Kirats are more morally upright than Bahuns are based on our own prejudice rather than facts.I am sure a racist Bahuns will also label all Kirats as drunk,having a addiction to drugs and engaging in criminal activities. This is not true.

In a nut shell , i urge my Kirati brothers and sisters not to have prejudice against any race based on a actions of a few.Just like i don't like to be called a drunk which by the way i drink very little( Thanksgiving and Christmas),
i in turn urge my Kirati not to label all Bahuns as corrupt and criminal cause this is stereotyping based on the actions of a few.Although there are segments of Bahun society which are corrupt and criminal ,this is not the case for the Majority of Bahuns.
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To Methodist....

Date Wednesday, March 26th 2008, 8:26 PM

To Methodist....

You must not imagine things and tell your opinion. But you must look at and tell the truth and reality what is happening in Nepal since 6 decades.

It is true and reality that Bahuns and Chettris are the root cause all national major problems of Nepal and Nepalese.

All Nepal high national crimes and corruption committed by either Bahuns or Chettris people who work in Government offices or private sector business.

Their national crimes and corruption is in highest rate 97%.

Their national crimes and corruption includes
(1) Girls Trafficking
(2) Smuggling
(3) Bribery
(4) Selling authentic Nepali citizenship and passports
(5) Crimes and corruption in national development projects
(6) Racial discrimination
(7) Human Rights and Civil Rights Abuse
(8) Mis-use power and authority
(9) Broke national’s Oaths, Law, Order, Rule, Regulation and Justice systems
(10) Master mind behind Killing people and destroying Democracy of Nepal
(11) Destroying Nepali government and make country unstable.
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namita

Methodist do not know

Date Wednesday, March 26th 2008, 8:23 PM

Methodist know word Racist but does not know who is Racist and What kind of person can be Racist.
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tagera

dont ask where ?...think can we be...

Date Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 1:33 AM

the kirat ji....its good to see ur examples ...and i dont have a single hope from the name u have mentioned for the upliftment of our communtity. i can say Gopal kirati is not a distinguish leader. i used to know him personally before he formed up khambuwan...and then kirat workers party and then joining maos.. he is the one who somehow taught me abt brahmanbad....or bahunbad. but his later behaviours shows that he will not stick with one fundamental principle.
and badal..pun or so ever ..they were only named wen there was war ...and since the war is over literally...there names are hardly heard these days...coz they have been used...
but why people are thinking who can lead us?..why dont they give a glance to urself?..we can be a leader....we can lead..or at least we can work for the organisation which u think is better for the kirati or janajati community.
im fed up with giving and taking comments ..and most of them looks like an ideal thinking. come up with some abstract points.
thank you
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correction

Date Monday, March 24th 2008, 3:51 PM

not distract....it is extract
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advice....

Date Monday, March 24th 2008, 7:34 AM

i am just the newcomer and liked the way of reaveling and expressing view s about the problems that have been practised in our country since our forefather periods..guyz like you should come to the frontline to distract this kind of problems from our country....only dicussing and throwing some words inside this square shape monitor doesnot workout to overcome with the problem...we need to show and prove what the reality is...i think it will be much better if this kind of knowledges are divulge all over the country through magazines and media upto the peoples ear of our country...so that they can know what identity they have got and what they have to do to preserve it.
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premraine

I am delighted

Date Monday, March 24th 2008, 4:16 AM

I feel so happy,not because things have changed for the better or our beloved country has made any progress,but we all seem to agree that we do not believe in violence.we can not help discussing a particular race or people(particularly those in power),sometimes in a rather harsh way BUT we do not want to harm them in any way.We are just making critical analysis.We accept bahuns and others as our brothers,therefore we deserve right to criticise them for their misdeeds.However,we must not forget that things and attitude have changed over the years,and there are some honest,unbiased,sensitive Khas / Khasa brothers who feel for all the marginalised peoples.

Brother Narahang has defined the meaning of racism with an absolute clarity in the best possible English.

Thanks.
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My questions to all of you.....

Date Monday, March 24th 2008, 12:49 AM

My simple questions to all the peopel who are in ths discussion....
1. Who are Mr. Prachand aka Puspa Kamal Dahal, Mr. BabuRam Bhattarai, Ms. Pampha Bhusal, Mr Mahara et al?
2. Who are Mr. Girija Prasad Koirala, Mr Madhav Nepal, Mr Kamal Thapa, Mr SuryaBahadur Thapa, Mr Sher Bahadur Deuba,Mr KP Oli, Mr Situla et al?
3. What are they doing?
4. What are we doing?
5. Where are our leaders?
6. Has Gopal Kirati done well getting alliiance with Maoist?
7. Are not there any party for Kirats with their own leaders?
8. What is the vision of people like Gopal Kirati, Ram Bahadur Thapa (Badal), Dev Gurung, Barsaman Pun (Anant) towards our society or they are just the puppet of the upper command which is noone than Bahun again?
We are following these Bahun leaders in one way or other and yet we have venom for Bahuns?
This is s complete out of mind thing......So leaders come in front when there is the necessity of leadership. Don't just be a weapon and fight for others being the leader in battel field only. Ballet have more power than bullet which may bounce back to you someday.
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narahang

The racist hat doesn't fit Kirat head

Date Sunday, March 23rd 2008, 7:26 PM

Nepal once considered the most beautiful and peaceful country has been reduced to rocky mountains, barren craggy hills and squalid towns and cities, where for many, life has become a daily struggle. While other countries change with time, move ahead and make progress in leaps and bounds, Nepal slips further down into the abyss of misery and degradation.

Nepalese, once self-sufficient, proud, peaceful and respected people are now shunned by others and looked upon as lepers in every port of entry. At home, many have been forced to become angry agitators and rebellious revolutionaries. These desperate and crying situations of Nepal elicit questions like: what are the causes of these decadence and wretchedness? Who is to blame?

For those who have a mind that can think, reason and perceive, there are ample evidences to bear out the follies of the khas philosophies, and their ignoble part in the running of the country to this deplorable state, that it is at present. Khas era circa 1768 – until now has shown nothing but morale decay and ruination of societies and a nation.

The dire situation of our country demands that facts need to be presented -truths need to be said – faults need to be acknowledged. Remedies need to be talked about, discussed, and debated in order to find the faults, so remedial measures can be thought out and implemented to rectify the faults.

Unfortunately, at such moments fingers will be pointed at and certain hard words used. Civility and candor give in to frustration and disgust. Loaded words fly and accusations are made. However, this is not racism.

I look racism as a situation where certain kind of people use their advantageous position to deceive, degenerate and suppress people of a less advantageous position, by means of immoral rules, disgraceful dogmas, self-serving doctrines and by telling cock and bull stories.

I believe, as long as there are races there will always be the talk of races. Why, because it is there. To ignore it is like burying ones head in the sand. It would be nice if we do not talk about it. But can we avoid it? Many have tried yet it is there.

I do not think to call a bahun, bahun, a chettri, chettri and a Kirat, Kirat, is racist. Some of us may be guilty of over-using certain words to convey our points and for emphasis, but that doesn’t make him and her racist. Discussions and debates do become heated arguments often. During such moments, I guess, it would be prudent to take a little more time to choose our words carefully and keep our tones down. Words hurt.

The good book says:
Judge not, that ye be not judged. (Matthew 7:1)
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british army selection

Date Sunday, March 23rd 2008, 6:21 PM

well i agree with tagera's views for the enlistment in the british army.its just the competition i mean an open competition. anyone can take part in it and whoever can do better they will be selected.its not because of the racial reason.Dont just fork out the british army selection to put it in your comments to make it strong coz every thing is made fair in the selection and you cant make judgement and come straight to the conclusion with knowing the fact.....
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tagera

to binita ji

Date Sunday, March 23rd 2008, 5:06 PM

hello binita ji...i think it will be better whom u have pointed towards. well no matter whom u pointed as a stupid person ..it will be more better to explain why u thing its stupid?..i hope after seeing this comment u will sure write more abt being stupid?..sewaro...
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binita

Who is this STUPID anyway?

Date Sunday, March 23rd 2008, 2:06 PM

Who is this STUPID anyway?
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tagera

no one is calling for voilence..

Date Sunday, March 23rd 2008, 12:40 PM

non of us will get any conclusion from such topic coz we will keep on giving our percepetion and it will go on and on. so far i have presented as a hardliner in this topic. but never in my mind i will be supporting voilence as a means of equality. coz voilence is not the solution. we will be in the middle of no where is we choose voilence against supressor.
mathodist ji...everyone knows that at present its all equal. there are less discrimintaion in the field of oportunity. but socially it still exits. maybe u went to those bahuns houses who are in ur path of belief. and even in nepal..eastern part is more flexible these days then western. even today we see news abt racism and discrimination to the so called lower cast. not allowed to use the public well or taps if so called higer class or bahuns are using it.
so only viewing from the orban conception is not enough to conclude that there is no more such practice in our society.
well u can find how many of janajati or marginalised people are ambassdors?.how many are cdo?..how many generals?..how many ministers?.
almost all are captured by bahuns..why..?..even they wont nominate as if there is no any capable person in our community?
we need to consider all this factors too and we cant close our eyes...
in private sector they want the most efficient one. so we hardly see discrimination but we are talking abt government side where there is very less chance for others if ur nose is not long enough.
and i do agree with premraines views and i do appriciate all who have contributed here. coz we all view from different angles.
keep it up...
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TheKirat

Dilemma

Date Sunday, March 23rd 2008, 9:18 AM

Hating some caste of people won't let us gain what we really deserve. We not only hate them but we hate each other too so there always remain question in our feelings. Why don't we work in organized way to overcome this bitter experiance of our life? I am in dilemma that why our people are becoming vicious towards Bahuns? and still they are following their path. Aren't our people supporting them in political preospects either it is communist, congress or Maoist then why are we blowing trumpets against them when our people is under them? So better clear that thought and try to back up a leader that will lead us from the front.
They are the ones who work in government jobs, ours won't work hard for that. They are the ones who make investment, ours are interested in working outside only. They are the ones who are the leadres and we are just followers . So I feel dismayed towars our people who talk against them but never work for own society and own people.
So it is not a matter of being a Bahun or Kirat ot is a matter of being a good citizen and doing something good. They are everywhere in every field, why can't we be at that positions? Either hate them or work with them but first clear your feelings, then ony you can move froward, otherwise you will be stuck in the middle of nowhere.
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Methodist

Results of Violence vs non-violence

Date Sunday, March 23rd 2008, 6:11 AM

I am sorry for Premraine if calling for the stop in anti-Bahun comments by Kirats makes me a non-kirat.I have to stress that after traveling across many parts of the world,my views have changed and evolved. Any back to our discussion.
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Non violent ways to fight for right:

Name:Martin Luther King
Deeds:Started a non-violent campaign to achieve equal right for Blacks.
Results:Various discriminatory laws were removed.Schools were desegregated and open to all races.Very few people died.

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Violent ways to fight for right

Name:Slobodan Milosevic
Deeds:Started a violent campaign to fight for Serb rights in Yugoslavia.
Results:Yugoslavia broke up. 140 thousand people dead.1 million left homeless.
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As you can see from the statistic violence in the name of equal right has terrible results.You have to understand that violence starts from hatred.

What might happen if violence through hate were used in Nepal

Name: a unknown Kirati leader that is yet to be
Deeds:Starts a violent campaign against Bahuns for equal rights.
result: 200 thousand Bahuns and Kiratis killed.Millions left homeless and are in refugee camps in Sikkim.


So my Kirati friends,anti-Bahun statements with might later lead to violence is not the way to go.

To fight for our rights we have to chose Martin Luther Kings path of fighting for equality through non-hate and non-violence

Non-Violent path
Name:unknow kirati leader that is yet to be
Deeds:Starts a peaceful campaign to fight for rights through non-violence.
results:Demands of peaceful protesters were met.Very few people killed.
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premraine

Few more things

Date Sunday, March 23rd 2008, 4:34 AM

1.Never heard any Kirat ever calling themselves lower caste.Methodist sir has mentioned kirat as lower caste.That begs a question,is he a non-kirat as Daya suspects?

Unlike many Newars and Magars , even uneducated Kirats never accepted Casteism even during Rana rule when the rulers tried to impose it on indigenous peoples.

There have been few kirat scholars like Dr swami prapannacharya who believe Kirats are high caste people.However,Kirat intellectuals have always maintained that we are ethnics and not castes.we do not believe that we are higher or lower than any other human race including Khas or Khasa.

Europeans and Australians have apologized openly for slavery of Africans and mistreatment of Australian aborigines.Germans have done the same to the Jews.Have our Bahun brothers done the same yet ??? Some honest and intellectual Bahun brothers have done so,but I am not sure if the mainstream section has .

It is not only Tagera ji,there are many intellectuals like Nepal's foremost Social-anthropologist Professor Dor Bahadur Bista,Late Harka Gurung,Late great Democrat Ganesh man Singh etc.who talked about Bahunism and its detrimental effect to our Country.

I am against any violence against any race or group,and honestly believe in brotherhood and co-existence.But if somebody tries to justify misdeed or injustice that can not be accepted.

Talking about Jobs ,education and privileges in our country,it is not only marginalised peoples but even our Khas / Khasa brothers believe that there is NATA BAAD,KRIPA BAAD in our country.Over 95 % of positions in every sectors are occupied by Khas brothers(who would be their NATEDARS?).Can you expect fair competition for government jobs?And imagine how long it's been going on like this?

Anybody unbiased and of sound mind knows who is racist,someone trying to justify this status quo,or someone who wants end to this kind of system,for the better.

Long live unity among all Nepalese on the basis of fairness and justice.Let there be peace and brotherhood.
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Typo error...oooooppppsss

Date Saturday, March 22nd 2008, 7:06 PM

I made a error typing from my key board.When i said fighting for equal rights,i meant equal rights for all Kiratis not just Limbus.I would like to express my apologies.
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LOL daya

Date Saturday, March 22nd 2008, 6:57 PM

Well daya if i were a pe-ni-ba or a pam-na ( Brahmin,Chetri in Limbu language)
and i was fighting for the equal treatment for Limbus and Bahuns then all kirats should support me.well it good to read from you.
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Actuallly Methodist is bahun Bajey

Date Saturday, March 22nd 2008, 5:25 PM

Actuallly Methodist is bahun Bajey...

Just Kidding Kirat brothers and Sister here....
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Our thinking....

Date Saturday, March 22nd 2008, 11:16 AM

It's not discrimination it's out thoughts. The prior Bhanus have done that but now days their young generation are aware about that. They don't want that backlash with them so they are very much pragmatic these days besides their cuinning nature.
I have to admit that I have more of them as friends than Kirats still I debate with them about our culture, make them aware about our religion ,language and people so they will know and understand us well. They are never looking down upon us but they don't kow much about us. We have to share views and know each others culture rather building sterotypes.We all have to do that since harmony is needed among us. Still they see us as hot blooded person, but the presence of intellectuals, leaders and people like us have changed their views and we really need that.I don't think we are lower caste than Bhauns. We are different race than them, the only thing is we are still in the mind frame of old days, we have to be more practical.We are not getting opportunities but we have to unite as one to break that tradition, help each other then only we succeed...like the fist is stronger than a single finger...

Finally I would like to thank Methodist, for his crtical view towards our own culture,people,views and thoughts which we need. Sometime we don't know when we cross the line so we need to be attentioned...and you have played the role generously.
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Debating Tagera and anyone who disagree

Date Saturday, March 22nd 2008, 9:48 AM

Tagera or anyone who disagree with me

You also mentioned that you have to fight for your rights for the Kirats but have not given examples where we are being discriminated during this modern time.
Education :Any kirat with with excellent grades can go to good schools.No school private or government has blocked a Kirat from entering the school because of his race.Poor kirats might not be able to go to these schools but so do poor Bahuns.

Employment:Private companies hires people based on their ability and not on their race cause they need the best workers to compete with other companies.So if you are a Kirat but more skillful than a Bahun,then even a Bahun boss will hire you instead of his fellow bahun because he wants the best workers for his business.Yes i do agree there is discrimination in government post but this has got more to do with hiring someone close to your self and therefore even here there is Bahun discriminating other Bahuns who might be strangers.

Language and Culture :After 1990 AD,the Nepali government has lifted the ban on other janjati languages.Hence we see various Kirati newspapers,radio broadcast and various Kirati organization.These in a way will preserve our Kirati identity.

Caste: Kirats are in the lower caste than Bahuns but in most daily life this has never been put into practice.I have been invited into Bahun's kitchen many times and they have never said i had to go out of the kitchen because of my smaller caste.In major cities like kathmandu and Pokhara,caste
means very little.Even in the villages,i have entered Bahun's Kitchen without any discrimination.

So Tagera or anyone who disagree with me,i would like to hear where we Kirats are being discriminated in this modern times.I am talking about major discrimination and not minor and small ones
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Let us be pragmatic not obdurate!!!!

Date Saturday, March 22nd 2008, 9:34 AM

Sewaro to all the friends who are connected with this topic.
We all know that the caste system was enforced to our ancestors and forefathers. This has surely pulled our development backward because of which our previous generations have missed a lot of things such as education, economic, self development, political, leaderships and many others which include the attention from the government. The history always gives of the picture of the future. So time has come for us to be less aggressive and use our intellectual brain so that we can have better consequences for our coming generation and coming days. If we get stuck in the past then we may be called as the sadist persons who don’t take the opportunity at hand to make it big. I know it is heart felt feeling to be outcasted by the superior caste but now the time has changed the situation has changed. We, the Kirats, have to achieve such positions that were not achieved by our ancestors we are the young generation whose responsibility has been more than our ancestors so we have to be able to make the pain and misery that our ancestors and we have passed through into the strength to fight against them not by bullets but through literate minds and ballets. I admire that you want to keep up your dignity as a Limbhu, but sometime we need to be pragmatic and change according to the time to adjust our self so that we won’t be outcaste. So we, especially the young generation have to think about our intellectual minds rather than the aggressive vision which generates energy inside us but won’t be everlasting. We need not be a candle in the wind but the peaceful and charismatic lights of moon with healing power.
Aggression can be the way to our destruction for which we are well known so we have to be more pragmatic towards our behavior. This is not difficult to achieve, just we have to change our attitude. “They hated us, they ruled us, they sinned us… so I would do same to them” should not be our thought this is vendetta which will lead to more animosity among people. We need to be loving and thoughtful; we have to win them with our doctrine, culture and behaviors. We should show them that given chance we can be the leaders of this country in every field. We are not just the killing machine or work machine that wastes his blood and sweat for foreign country. We have same Nepali blood and patriotism towards Nepal as they have. The main thing is we have to take the chances not wait for it.
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CONTINEU....

Date Saturday, March 22nd 2008, 7:54 AM

so jews blame nazis for all the destruction of thier lives and edlers. they lost thier country..their identity..everything. now afte so many year they are hunting down those nazis and want to punish them?,.why...why they want to punish them after this long period?.coz they want justice. they are not after revenge..they are not trying to creat chaos....they are not being racis...same way we want justice..justice and justice. we dont want revenge...that is aginst humanity. sorry doesnt make dead man alive ..our elders are like a dead man...and we are atleast alive coz we got chance to be bit educated then them and if we demand or speak out for our right and want to punishe those culprits then if our own people thinks that we are becoming racist then ..let time and the general peoople decide who is right and who is worng?....we cannot close our eyes...and say time will heal everything....we are consiciious so we are speaking out othewise we would have been living like our elders ...an ideal life ....
thankx for everyone views and hope more iwll be there ...
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shall we consider this or not..?..

Date Saturday, March 22nd 2008, 7:39 AM

how long the second world war came to and end?..more then 50 years...who was the most victimised people at that time?..JEWS hitler alomst eliminated jews for his hatred..was that justifiable?..no one will agree that is justifiable.
those people murdered milions of innocent jews...and after years wen they got united...have made their identity in this world again...they blame those NAZIS..
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Why stereotyping of Bahuns is not warranted

Date Saturday, March 22nd 2008, 6:41 AM

I am referring to the comments made by Menuka and Hari.I am sad to know that they engage in stereotyping of people.First of all what is stereotyping? As defined in Oxford/Websters dictionary it means thinking that all people of a certain race have a particular behavior based on the actions of a few.For example,Kirats have a bad reputation for drinking but in reality most Kirats are not alcoholics.This is an example of stereotypes in Nepali society.So in the same way labeling all Bahuns as corrupt and criminal in nature is uncalled for.I know many Bahuns that are honest and upright.

Ways to right for our rights.
Anti-Bahun sentiments is not the way to go.Firstly this causes counter hatred from the Bahuns towards Kirati's and this is not good.A better option would be
to better educate ourselves and our children.With a better education,we would be more employable.Some might say that poorer Kirats can't afford an education but i have to stress that this improvement does not happen overnight but might take a few generations.There are also a number of Kirati
organization that hands out educational scholarships to poorer Kiratis.With better education,we will be able to uplift our fellow Kiratis from poverty and ignorance.This is where our economic rights are uplifted.

Once our economic rights are uplifted,it time to focus on our cultural and political rights.With a better standard of living among Kirats,we would have more time and more money to sponsor and organize Kirati festivals.Furthermore we can fight for our political rights once we have economic might.There is this old Thai saying "When a poor man talks,no body listens but when a rich man talks,even the birds stop to listen".

so my fellow kiratis,i hope my views would be taken into consideration.
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premraine

Please think deeply

Date Saturday, March 22nd 2008, 3:01 AM

What is racism
Thursday, March 20th 2008, 11:47 AM
Nobody of sound mind says Nelson Mandela was / is a racist.He fought for his race and against rule of another race.

Gandhi fought for his race and against the rule of different race.World worships him.Nobody ever called him a racist.

Similarly, Martin Luther King Jr ,fought for his race against another race.

Hitler fought for his race.So did South African whites who believed in Apartheid.World called / call them racists.

If you fight against suppression of your people and try to uplift your people, that is NOT racism(-because you were/are never against any race,you are simply trying to save your race.)

If you act or fight to maintain supremacy of your people by supressing others or look down on others and think you are superior to others-that is racism.
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Menuka

Good Methodist hear & need to learn

Date Friday, March 21st 2008, 8:29 PM

Good Methodist hears & need to learn...

To Methodist.

Yes, it is about Racism, Discrimination, National crimes and Corruption.

If you take time, think deeply and look at Nepal, You can see more than 97% high national crimes, corruption and racial discrimination are practice or done by Bahun people. It is sound like blaming, but it is happening in reality and truth.

Indigenous people get anger and explode their sad and madly expression against that bad thing happening in Nepal. Their anger and expression is true.

But Bahuns people must not try to escape and become innocent what they have done to Nepal and future of Nepalese people. They must realize their bad deeds, mistake, wrongfulness action toward own mother land and own Nepalese people. They must agree with their bad actions, selfishness, national crimes and corruption if they want to claim themselves as civilize and educated human being of 21st century.

It is obvious. It is truth and reality. It is not fake matters.

Even dog of the street know and understand clearly about this matters.
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Hari

I agree with some Indigenous people of Nepal

Date Friday, March 21st 2008, 8:12 PM

Bahuns are the Major Key Root problem of all problems of Nepal and Nepalese.

Why?

These Bahuns only discriminately employing in Nepali government officies which is obsolutely Racial discrimination against Democratic Policy, Law and Constitutions of any country.

These Bahuns make Law, Rule, Regulation, Policy and Justice systems on the behalf of their profit and self-interest. These Bahuns crooks break the Law and do un-ethical national crimes where they never ever get punishments by Legal systems.

These Bahuns do 98% National Crimes and Corruptions which make Nepal un-secure, backward, undevelop and unstable in Governement and Politics.

These Bahuns people implemented "Nepal is a Hindu nation".

These Bahuns people soley run Nepal in the name of Fake Democracy and establish Bahuns Regime after Rana Regime.

Look at, These Bahuns people take bribery money and sell authentic original Nepal Citizenship to south Indian dothi people. These Indian dothi people already became authentic Nepali citizens. There population is almost sky rocketing in Nepal Terai region like 1,15,08,000. Today these indian dothi people asking your Land and tommorrow they will take our country. This is main root problem is BAHUNS OF NEPAL.
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tagera

its not racist....its revolt....`

Date Friday, March 21st 2008, 11:33 AM

the society where i grow up was full racism. coz my parents were taught socially by those aryans abt touchable and untouchable. they thougth them not to go to aryans kitchen coz they are lower cast. they tought them wen u see any aryans coming on the way give them way and greet them. they tought them education is not for them. that is why my parents are uneducated and most of our people. thats why they dont understand the situation of nepal. tey dont know the value of education. they cant provide good environment for education. they think once their children gets to the age either join the army or go abroad for earnings. that is all they know coz they are blind though they can see.
though time has changes and all of have equal access to everything it doensnt mean that we need to close the chapeter of our past. there are many things that we can learn from the past. we the young generation are educated and we might change the situation for upcoming generations. but being in the army or going abroad is not all the reason of downfall of the kirati community. the people who are still in nepal can do somethiing and show rest of others that their nation needs them and they have vast opportuinties and possibility in nepal.
and to against any kind of racism indicates that we are heading towards racism then i will accept it. coz we need iron to cut the iron. glass to glass. i words might seem too hard for some people but i cant bear it coz i know how hardship my fellow people are facing in the remote areas. i would like to urge ..those who made us untouchable ..lets boycott them from the kirati society and make them untouchable. lets them feel how it pains when some behaves like that. im ready to wear the badge of racist at this point. but i dont believe in blood for blood. the aryans are also the people of nepal. they have full rigth to live in nepal. they are equal to us. but the inequlaities they created must be abolished and for that we have to do that like black people did in THE US.
some of might have been to good school. some of might have grown up abroad. lived in educated society. but it doesnt mean that all got the same chances. and we should not look from the developed social perspective. the society of europe is different then nepalese society.
yes i do agreee that racism is a crime. but we can read in papers how aryans behaves with the rest of the people in remote areas. the so labbeled lower cast people cant use the water from the public well or tap. they cant go into the temples. even in pasupati is open for all hindus but not for lower cast people. the ex is the then minister of cpm uml premsing dhami was not allowed in the pasupati coz of his cast.
chiristianity or kirati religion wont see any division of cast. they believe in equality..prosperity..harmony...but we dont find such in hindu religion. thus mathodist, u spoke somehow from chirtianaity world which is true. but still i feel sorry that even we have our own identity of religion..culture...tradtion our people are adopting others belief though belief is a personal business.
we are the young educated generation and as we are aware of many things then our elders its our responsibility to preserve our identity. otherwise if our identity are lost then we are of no where. and there is vast difference in being in limbu and to be a limbu.
thankx for ur comments.
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Methodist

note to theKirat

Date Friday, March 21st 2008, 5:56 AM

I would like to express my gratitude to theKirat for his constructive views on this current topic.Differences of opinion from various minds will ensure that we have a better prospective of life.
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TheKirat

Why do we blame? Why don't we try something

Date Friday, March 21st 2008, 5:09 AM

We, the Kirats, are still a long way back to know oneself. As this topic has been started again I will talk about the psychological effect the young generations are passing through. As METHODIST have expressed that the time has changed, I agree that but we have not changed. Because of our nature of blaming others, we have been nowhere.We have to change , reform and criticize onself our society beofore pointing to others. This I have already expressed in my previous blogs about "The Lahure Culture" but we are so much obdurate that we are obtianing modern enjoyment but still blaming others for our backwardness. There is a popular saying "Kirati bigreko Moj le...." Sometime I think this is the bitter truth that we have to take into account.
I agree as TAGERA has said that our forefathers did not get chance to study dur to bahuns, but we are getting that chance. why are not we converting them into big ones? Whose fault is that? Why do we opt fot Lahures, and foreign country befor doing something in own country?
To PREMNARAINI Ji I just want to say what will happen if the bahun say that the Kirats are racist? It is not the method we bring ourself forward. Yes I agree that they have captured the superior positions but we are also educated now, whay can't we be there and work as them? For once why don't we try to reform ourself?
About the education, there are not much Kirats but now they are coming up in the engineering and doctor field too.Some are not getting chance to study despite of thir hard work due to economical and social backdrops. So why the so called young proud Lahures can't fund to the Kirat society so that they can produce at least 50-50 engineeris, doctors, lawers, economists, businessmen for our society. So crticizing other is very easy but when that hits back it is painful.
We cannot move forward by taking the slogan "Bahun le desh khayo....Bahun le hamilai padhan diyena...." then why do I see the Kirat faces all over kathmandu in the sophisticated schools and college. Where do they go after graduation? Why a person in Lahure cannot tell his young generation try to good in studies rather than trying in Lahure? These questions I have already asked and have got answers too but I have written them again so people can rethink before commenting.
About religion, one should have provision to follow any religion that befits him/her. But the religion,culture and languare is the primary aspects of any ethnic group. If this is lost we can loose our identity. In the case of Methodist I see that his father changed the religion whil in UK, this trend is going on with the modern lahures too.This proves that UK won't give shelter and food but can transform them too.So whenever we live in the influence of others then we are sure to take from them. So it is better that we support and save our culture and religion even we are following differnet principles.

This is one of the most important topics that we need to get through.
Seware Friends
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Methodist

Oopsss sorry note to Premraine.

Date Thursday, March 20th 2008, 1:27 PM

My apologies to Premraine . I have been working very late and might have misread
your views of Hitler.Well i need to sleep now.
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premraine

A note to Methodist Sir

Date Thursday, March 20th 2008, 1:18 PM

Sir,I never called Hitler a glorius leader, nor tried to praise him in any way.I called him a racist.

Thank you very much.
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Methodist

A note to premraine

Date Thursday, March 20th 2008, 12:14 PM

Premraine, yes i believe that you should fight for injustice but there are ways to fight injustice.For example Ghandi brought down the mighty British empire in India not with violence and hate but with peace and love.And this is what i am asking from my fellow Kirats.Fight for your rights but not in a way where you have to use hate and violence.So please no Bahun hating please.Ghandi and Martin Luther King never expressed the desire to use violence and hate and yet both man got their desired result even in the face of mounting odds.

Lastly Premranie, Hitler was a evil man who killed the Jews cause of simply being a Jew.He preached the notion of Aryan/Nordic supremacy and the elimination of other races starting with the Jews and later the Slavs(eastern Europeans).The list of people he sent to the poison gas chambers also included jewish children.How was the killing of innocent children be described as fighting for the rights of ones race.So please don't compare Hitler as a glorious leader.
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A note to tagera (blogger above me)

Date Thursday, March 20th 2008, 11:55 AM

Well young man,i pity you that you harbor such deep distrust of Bahuns.Firstly you blame Bahuns for denying us education.Well that might have been the case upto 1990 AD( English Calendar) but times have changed.Kirats now are in general more educated than before and no kirats are denied to any private or government schools because of our race. In short we should not blame the present day Bahun populations for the sins of their forefathers. A hard working kirat can easily go to collages like Pulchowk Engineering College or get into a MBBS government school.I am saying this cause i myself have seen Kirats in Pulchowk Engineering College.

Begin a son of a retired x-British army officer,i know the ethnic makeup of the British Gurkha army.Bahuns make up a very small percentage of the army.

Lastly regarding your comments of me being a Christian,i was born a Christian
as my dad changed his religion while in the UK before i was born.Me being a
Christian does not in anyway make me a less Limbu cause I am proud to be a Limbu.But this pride comes with the knowing that I should not hate Bahuns.

Well Tagera,you are still young but i hope you will change your perceptions as you become wiser but older :-P
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premraine

What is racism

Date Thursday, March 20th 2008, 11:47 AM

Nobody of sound mind says Nelson Mandela was / is a racist.He fought for his race and against rule of another race.

Gandhi fought for his race and against the rule of different race.World worships him.Nobody ever called him a racist.

Similarly, Martin Luther King Jr ,fought for his race against another race.

Hitler fought for his race.So did South African whites who believed in Apartheid.World called / call them racists.

If you fight against suppression of your people and try to uplift your people, that is NOT racism(-because you were/are never against any race,you are simply trying to save your race.)

If you act or fight to maintain supremacy of your people by supressing others or look down on others and think you are superior to others-that is racism.
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tagera

whom to blame?...

Date Thursday, March 20th 2008, 9:48 AM

i have gone through ur views...and as this site or anyother...the discussion is open and anyone can say wat ever they want coz everyone see or looks from different angles. its not u have to agree with others perception...its just a view that one has come across ...and honestly there is no any ill intention regarding bahun or rai or limbu...coz i can declare i will always stand opposite to bahuns who kept our elders in darkness..and deprived from the socail...and national opportunities.
u may be well educated frend..and u may have all the facilities but not all of the kiratis.....and bahuns are the one who made such discrimination in the name of religion. why they never approached kirati communtiy with the ligth of education wen they knew the power of education?..why they have made division with in the society?..why they made touchable and untouchable system??..they are the first in our land to creat such racist environment. they are the root couse of the failure of the nation.
the thing that i urge is though we are behhind in the present context coz of our own weakness but since our elders are still not aware of the value of education ..we dont find sound environment for the education in our soceity. that is the reason why our parents want their young son to join in the army...go abroad for earning inspite encourging for further education. why our eldres are uneducated?..those cunning bahuns made them so ...coz they attacked psychologically ....the job of bahuns is to study...the job of other is to work and work...even those cunning bahuns made rrule that they are not bound to plough their own land. they says they are born from the mouth of bhrama...and kiratis from knee...is it not discrimination..racial....
and enlisting in the army is not a bias my dear frend. its an open competition. if u are capable then u will be there if not back to home ..try next time or give up. there is not such rules that our people has made to prevent bahuns from enrolling in the army. and for ur information ....kirats are not in the decisive positon to decide ..whom to take and to whom not...the british officer is there at the top. i totally disagree with ur point on this matter, coz there are many bahuns in the british army though in very few percentage. at the begining ..sending in the british army was their policy to decrease the population of the kiratis and janajatis ...it wasnt thier policy that atleast they will get chance to see the world and earn good money....
last but not least...i feel sorry for u being a christian. kirats are the animist or u can say we belive in nature. nature is the only source of existance in this earth. those gods are only the beliefs. and non of the religion tought us to hate or kill or destroy ...love ...peace...and the salvation is the core of every relligion.
since we kirats have our own religion..tradition..culture...belief...i will give my lfie for the preservation...upliftment of my own rather the adopting any others. i know many will not agree or accept my views. we kirats are happy to live in our own ..and there were no any racial system ...discrimination in our society ..its after the mixture of aryans that our society has been poluted.
at the end...hindu religion ..aryan society...aryan culture ..system are based on racism..dicrimintaion...so is wat they tought to rest of the people. they are the root cause frend of everything that is happening in the nation.
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